CraigKressel wrote:

FSUKW wrote:

CraigKressel wrote:not much difference between a 5-7 team and a 7-6 to me, neither should beat a playoff or national championship caliber team, sure it happens on occasion but doesn't really make a difference.

I want to know where I am wrong still. Show me where FSU did not have a terrible season last year or where your coach isn't mediocre at best? Not saying he couldn't be good or FSU have a great turnaround but I think to even suggest they are a contender right now is absurd.

All the naysayers like to point to Willie Taggart’s overall win/loss record of (47-50) as a sign that he’s not a top coach.

However, what they always fail to point out is Taggart has always taken rebuilding projects as a head coach. Western Kentucky, South Florida and Oregon were terrible the year prior to him becoming head coach.

Their combined win/loss records the year prior to him becoming head coach is (7-29). His final season at Western Kentucky they were (7-5). The final season he was at USF they went (10-2) and of course he was (7-5) last year at Oregon.

He really only ever had 1 good season ever.

CraigKressel wrote:I didn't say he couldn't be good I actually said the opposite, I am just saying that as of right now he is a mediocre coach at best. Also he is black so the odds of him panning out are extremely low.

FSUKW wrote:

CraigKressel wrote:I didn't say he couldn't be good I actually said the opposite, I am just saying that as of right now he is a mediocre coach at best. Also he is black so the odds of him panning out are extremely low.

He has talent. That keeps getting overlooked.

JdPat04 wrote:Each job has steadily went up in ranking... (Well maybe usf was a drop off but yeah)

Muck FcDisney wrote:

JdPat04 wrote:Each job has steadily went up in ranking... (Well maybe usf was a drop off but yeah)

:dog

:trollface

FSUKW wrote:

CraigKressel wrote:Ok lets make 2 bets then.

1. Will FSU finish top 10? I say no.

No idea, hence my SOS comments.

CraigKressel wrote:2. Who will play more ranked teams Ohio State or FSU? I say Ohio State

Theoretically: If you finish with 3 ranked teams and we finished with 2, but you also finish with 7 teams with losing record and we finish with 2, what would it prove?

I might take the bet, let me get back. (just saw this and have not thought about it too hard.

Muck FcDisney wrote:

JdPat04 wrote:Each job has steadily went up in ranking... (Well maybe usf was a drop off but yeah)

:dog

:trollface

FSUKW wrote:

CraigKressel wrote:You guys went 7-6 lost to every decent team that you played. You had wins over Wake Forest, Duke, Syracuse, Delaware State, Florida, UL Monroe, Southern Miss.

Not exactly what I would call playoff caliber.

Willie Taggart's record as a head coach is 47-50. Pretty much mediocre like I said, he had 1 good year at USF.

Sounds like you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about to me.

You look at a record and a headline and assume you know what's going on in Tallahassee.

For Starters:

True Freshman QB who had 2 months of CFB practice under his belt.

Head Coach and half the coaching staff who checked out at mid-season.

We lost 3 games we could easily have won - they were literally lost on the last play of the game (in spite of shitty coaching, record could just as easily have been 10-3) Most teams can say this, but its more comparing 7-6 team and a 10-3 team. Huge difference from a outside viewer stand point).

We played the defending 2017 NC and the ultimate 2018 NC well. If you simply look at the score, you are an idiot. We played Clemson better than score indicates.

This year we will have 3 healthy QB's who could play (if not start) for most teams.

I would argue our RB depth is the deepest in the nation and with the new playbook, they should all get carries.

We have a coach who will utilize the athletes he has, unlike Jimbo. WT has never had this much talent in any of his systems.

Our Defense will be better coached and has plenty of talent.

For starters.

JimTrenzel wrote:

FSUKW wrote:

CraigKressel wrote:You guys went 7-6 lost to every decent team that you played. You had wins over Wake Forest, Duke, Syracuse, Delaware State, Florida, UL Monroe, Southern Miss.

Not exactly what I would call playoff caliber.

Willie Taggart's record as a head coach is 47-50. Pretty much mediocre like I said, he had 1 good year at USF.

Sounds like you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about to me.

You look at a record and a headline and assume you know what's going on in Tallahassee.

For Starters:

True Freshman QB who had 2 months of CFB practice under his belt.

Head Coach and half the coaching staff who checked out at mid-season.

We lost 3 games we could easily have won - they were literally lost on the last play of the game (in spite of shitty coaching, record could just as easily have been 10-3) Most teams can say this, but its more comparing 7-6 team and a 10-3 team. Huge difference from a outside viewer stand point).

We played the defending 2017 NC and the ultimate 2018 NC well. If you simply look at the score, you are an idiot. We played Clemson better than score indicates.

This year we will have 3 healthy QB's who could play (if not start) for most teams.

I would argue our RB depth is the deepest in the nation and with the new playbook, they should all get carries.

We have a coach who will utilize the athletes he has, unlike Jimbo. WT has never had this much talent in any of his systems.

Our Defense will be better coached and has plenty of talent.

For starters.

You're looking pretty dumb right about now.

JimTrenzel wrote:

Muck FcDisney wrote:

JdPat04 wrote:Each job has steadily went up in ranking... (Well maybe usf was a drop off but yeah)

:dog

:trollface

Did he improve FSU?

JimTrenzel wrote:

FSUKW wrote:

CraigKressel wrote:Ok lets make 2 bets then.

1. Will FSU finish top 10? I say no.

No idea, hence my SOS comments.

CraigKressel wrote:2. Who will play more ranked teams Ohio State or FSU? I say Ohio State

Theoretically: If you finish with 3 ranked teams and we finished with 2, but you also finish with 7 teams with losing record and we finish with 2, what would it prove?

I might take the bet, let me get back. (just saw this and have not thought about it too hard.

What is my prize you fucking loser?

Muck FcDisney wrote:The other issues are typical of Taggart teams in year one, but tend to improve over time.