For the first time ever, the ACC has three 5-0 teams

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

And you still lost to teams like Tennessee and Virginia Tech, neither of which were conference champions. Why are you defending the Big Least so much?

I'm not defending anything. I'm just pointing out how invalid your claim was.

It's all speculation, and as I said, beating the conference champions doesn't mean squat. Virginia Tech beat you turds in 2003 but they didn't get the BCS bowl bid, did they? Your claim isn't valid, either.

My claim is valid, because I simply said that you can't chalk it up to a shitty conference when they're beating the champion of another conference. If Miami was simply the product of a shitty conference, they wouldn't be regularly beating the ACC's champion, would they? Unless you're also claiming that the ACC was likewise a shitty conference, then we have a different argument here.

There's also the fact that during this span, Miami was 3-1 in BCS bowls and was a questionable PI call away from being 4-0.

So should we give the 2012 ACC title to NC State?
2011 ACC Title to NC State?
2010 ACC Title to James Madison?

Unless you played a substantial amount of ACC teams those years, you have no reason to claim that Miami would have won them.

[Citronauts_Knights]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

And you still lost to teams like Tennessee and Virginia Tech, neither of which were conference champions. Why are you defending the Big Least so much?

I'm not defending anything. I'm just pointing out how invalid your claim was.

It's all speculation, and as I said, beating the conference champions doesn't mean squat. Virginia Tech beat you turds in 2003 but they didn't get the BCS bowl bid, did they? Your claim isn't valid, either.

My claim is valid, because I simply said that you can't chalk it up to a shitty conference when they're beating the champion of another conference. If Miami was simply the product of a shitty conference, they wouldn't be regularly beating the ACC's champion, would they? Unless you're also claiming that the ACC was likewise a shitty conference, then we have a different argument here.

There's also the fact that during this span, Miami was 3-1 in BCS bowls and was a questionable PI call away from being 4-0.

So should we give the 2012 ACC title to NC State?
2011 ACC Title to NC State?
2010 ACC Title to James Madison?

Unless you played a substantial amount of ACC teams those years, you have no reason to claim that Miami would have won them.

Well, sure, we can speculate that Miami might not have been able to beat the ACC's #2 or #3 or so on team those years, but we know they beat the ACC's #1 team in 2000, 2002, and twice in 2003. I'd say that validates my claim a lot more than yours.

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

I'm done going in circles. You've demonstrated absolutely nothing concrete on pure speculation.

[Citronauts_Knights]

I'm done going in circles. You've demonstrated absolutely nothing concrete on pure speculation.

I've demonstrated that your claim that Miami's BCS bowl bids were due to a "shitty conference" were invalid due to Miami consistently defeating the champion of the ACC during that frame and their 3-1 record in those BCS bowl bids.

All you've provided is "nuh uh!"

[ericberry14]

I'm done going in circles. You've demonstrated absolutely nothing concrete on pure speculation.

You're retarded

[MIAMIDOMINATION]

The SEC gets away with paying players

yet no team in the SEC has been as successful as miami in my lifetime :ROFL2

[ericberry14]

The SEC gets away with paying players

yet no team in the SEC has been as successful as miami in my lifetime :ROFL2

:ays

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

I'm done going in circles. You've demonstrated absolutely nothing concrete on pure speculation.

You're retarded

:2thumbs

[FlatEarth]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

[Citronauts_Knights]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

You don't know that for sure.

What we DO know for sure is that Georgia won't...

:justsayin

[FlatEarth]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

You don't know that for sure.

What we DO know for sure is that Georgia won't...

:justsayin

Correct.

However, I don't see either of the 3 running the table.

Avy bet? Lifetime. Anything goes.

[Citronauts_Knights]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

You don't know that for sure.

What we DO know for sure is that Georgia won't...

:justsayin

Correct.

However, I don't see either of the 3 running the table.

Avy bet? Lifetime. Anything goes.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't, we don't know yet.

And no.

[FlatEarth]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

You don't know that for sure.

What we DO know for sure is that Georgia won't...

:justsayin

Correct.

However, I don't see either of the 3 running the table.

Avy bet? Lifetime. Anything goes.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't, we don't know yet.

And no.

That's what I figured. You don't have much faith, do you...

[Citronauts_Knights]

Well, I don't believe it's an absolute, no. I'm not the one making claims here. I was just pointing out that yours was incorrect.

[FlatEarth]

Well, I don't believe it's an absolute, no. I'm not the one making claims here. I was just pointing out that yours was incorrect.

Opinions are just that... IMHO, neither of these ACC teams will finish the season undefeated. I'm willing to back up my opinion with a lifetime bet. You, obviously, are not.

[FlatEarth]

How can you say my opinion is incorrect? :thought

[MIAMIDOMINATION]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

bookmarked for when miami dominates :wave

[FlatEarth]

Yet none of those three will finish undefeated.

bookmarked for when miami dominates :wave

I hope so... Miami deserves to be great again. This whole mess with the NCAA has me livid about the Miami shit.

[Citronauts_Knights]

How can you say my opinion is incorrect? :thought

You didn't say "I don't think any of the three will finish undefeated", you said "yet none of those three will finish undefeated."

You stated it like it was a fact, not an opinion.

[FSUseminoles91]

I think Clemson is legit this year. This is "their year" that they've been waiting on for decades...if they don't get it done (meaning, winning a natty) it isn't going to happen in the near future. Once Boyd and Watkins leave they'll be left with an offense that needs some serious rebuilding, and a mediocre defense. They'll still be a decent team, probably finish top 15-ish, but they won't be contenders until they can buy, oops I mean recruit, some stars. I dunno who their next QB will be, or if they even know, but I doubt he'll be anywhere near as good as Boyd.

Next year should be a good year for us to run the table...Winston will have a full season under his belt, the new defense will be familiar with Pruitt's style, and I don't believe we lose too many people. Plus we get a weakened Clemson team at home, as well as UF (no offense to UM, but the Swamp scares me more than Sun Life). It sets up nicely. :yes

People said the same shit about Clemson when cj spiller was there. Get used to em

Well first off, CJ Spiller isn't a QB. Which they will need.

Second, Clemson didn't do shit while Spiller was there. :justsayin They never really competed for a title and they lost in the only ACC Championship game they went to.