For the first time ever, the ACC has three 5-0 teams

[Citronauts_Knights]

Discuss

[bdcane4eva]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

[HUNKERED DOWN DAWG]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I wouldn't really call Clemson a fluke, they have won at least 10 games the last two years, but who knows what will happen once Tajh and company leave. :dunno

[Carr2Cooper]

I said for a while the ACC needed FSU and Miami to get back to the 80s and 90s style of games for it to be great

Clemsuck will drop dramatically when Boyd and Watkins are gone

[FSUseminoles91]

I think Clemson is legit this year. This is "their year" that they've been waiting on for decades...if they don't get it done (meaning, winning a natty) it isn't going to happen in the near future. Once Boyd and Watkins leave they'll be left with an offense that needs some serious rebuilding, and a mediocre defense. They'll still be a decent team, probably finish top 15-ish, but they won't be contenders until they can buy, oops I mean recruit, some stars. I dunno who their next QB will be, or if they even know, but I doubt he'll be anywhere near as good as Boyd.

Next year should be a good year for us to run the table...Winston will have a full season under his belt, the new defense will be familiar with Pruitt's style, and I don't believe we lose too many people. Plus we get a weakened Clemson team at home, as well as UF (no offense to UM, but the Swamp scares me more than Sun Life). It sets up nicely. :yes

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I guess UM has been a failure since they joined the ACC.

[LuckOfTheIbis7]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I guess UM has been a failure since they joined the ACC.

It's the truth, should be better than 7-6 year in and out

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I guess UM has been a failure since they joined the ACC.

It's the truth, should be better than 7-6 year in and out

Or maybe you just got to big bowls because you played in a shitty conference.

[johnnybravo23]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I guess UM has been a failure since they joined the ACC.

It's the truth, should be better than 7-6 year in and out

Or maybe you just got to big bowls because you played in a shitty conference.

Come on, the 2001-2002 teams beat the hell out of our Noles.

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

Come on, the 2001-2002 teams beat the hell out of our Noles.

Uh, 2001, sure. 2002 we had them beat and we let it slip away. Still is pretty odd how top recruiting classes for Miami in the ACC led to 0 BCS berths. If you don't remember Wide Left, I wouldn't really consider you a true Nole fan.

[Citronauts_Knights]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I guess UM has been a failure since they joined the ACC.

It's the truth, should be better than 7-6 year in and out

Or maybe you just got to big bowls because you played in a shitty conference.

Well, considering we beat the ACC champions in 2000, 2002, and twice in 2003, (FSU did not win the ACC in 2001) I think it is entirely reasonable for a Canes fan to claim they still would have gone to a BCS bowl those years if they had been in the ACC.

On the flip side, it would also be reasonable to claim that if the roles were reversed and FSU were in the Big East, they would not have made it to the BCS those years, since they were unable to beat the Big East champ during that time.

[ericberry14]

I think Clemson is legit this year. This is "their year" that they've been waiting on for decades...if they don't get it done (meaning, winning a natty) it isn't going to happen in the near future. Once Boyd and Watkins leave they'll be left with an offense that needs some serious rebuilding, and a mediocre defense. They'll still be a decent team, probably finish top 15-ish, but they won't be contenders until they can buy, oops I mean recruit, some stars. I dunno who their next QB will be, or if they even know, but I doubt he'll be anywhere near as good as Boyd.

Next year should be a good year for us to run the table...Winston will have a full season under his belt, the new defense will be familiar with Pruitt's style, and I don't believe we lose too many people. Plus we get a weakened Clemson team at home, as well as UF (no offense to UM, but the Swamp scares me more than Sun Life). It sets up nicely. :yes

People said the same shit about Clemson when cj spiller was there. Get used to em

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

Nothing to really discuss..
The ACC is soft and the teams that are 5-0 should be 5-0.
And Clemson is a fluke no matter what anyone says.
FSU and UM should dominate year in and year out without any problems - anything less in this conference is a failure.
Just my two cents.

I guess UM has been a failure since they joined the ACC.

It's the truth, should be better than 7-6 year in and out

Or maybe you just got to big bowls because you played in a shitty conference.

Well, considering we beat the ACC champions in 2000, 2002, and twice in 2003, (FSU did not win the ACC in 2001) I think it is entirely reasonable for a Canes fan to claim they still would have gone to a BCS bowl those years if they had been in the ACC.

On the flip side, it would also be reasonable to claim that if the roles were reversed and FSU were in the Big East, they would not have made it to the BCS those years, since they were unable to beat the Big East champ during that time.

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

[Beaver3332]

Larry Coker is all the explanation you need after Butchs players were gone we sucked we had talent but we sucked Coker lacked in player development he got a bunch of 5 star recruits but most were busts.

[Citronauts_Knights]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

And you still lost to teams like Tennessee and Virginia Tech, neither of which were conference champions. Why are you defending the Big Least so much?

[Citronauts_Knights]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

And you still lost to teams like Tennessee and Virginia Tech, neither of which were conference champions. Why are you defending the Big Least so much?

I'm not defending anything. I'm just pointing out how invalid your claim was.

[FuckESPNdotCOM]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

And you still lost to teams like Tennessee and Virginia Tech, neither of which were conference champions. Why are you defending the Big Least so much?

I'm not defending anything. I'm just pointing out how invalid your claim was.

It's all speculation, and as I said, beating the conference champions doesn't mean squat. Virginia Tech beat you turds in 2003 but they didn't get the BCS bowl bid, did they? Your claim isn't valid, either.

[Citronauts_Knights]

We slaughtered the ACC champs in 2001. That doesn't mean jack. The point is, playing tough(er) games week in and week out is generally considered tougher than playing one or two "real" opponents per season. Still doesn't explain recruits going to die in Miami since they joined the ACC.

It means that you can't just chalk up Miami's BCS bowl bids to just being in a shitty conference when we beat the champion of the ACC in every season during that span except for the one in which they won the national championship. Miami also beat the SEC champion in 2000.

And you still lost to teams like Tennessee and Virginia Tech, neither of which were conference champions. Why are you defending the Big Least so much?

I'm not defending anything. I'm just pointing out how invalid your claim was.

It's all speculation, and as I said, beating the conference champions doesn't mean squat. Virginia Tech beat you turds in 2003 but they didn't get the BCS bowl bid, did they? Your claim isn't valid, either.

My claim is valid, because I simply said that you can't chalk it up to a shitty conference when they're beating the champion of another conference. If Miami was simply the product of a shitty conference, they wouldn't be regularly beating the ACC's champion, would they? Unless you're also claiming that the ACC was likewise a shitty conference, then we have a different argument here.

There's also the fact that during this span, Miami was 3-1 in BCS bowls and was a questionable PI call away from being 4-0.

[MIAMIDOMINATION]

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